deTheos

Being picky with our preferences

August 5th, 2008 Jeff

Brent has a great post, "Personal Preference and Churches ." An excerpt:

If you’ve been involved in “church life” for any extended period of time, you surely know that people are not casual about their preferences. We’ve all heard the horror stories of churches splitting over the color of carpet. Some of you may have actually lived through that. Yet most of us are willing to overlook matters like the color of the carpet, but don’t you dare sing too many “contemporary” songs, or “traditional hymns,” depending on which side of the argument you come from.

One of the things that breaks my heart in this discussion is that, for a good many people, the more theologically informed we become, the more picky we become, when I’ve come to believe it should be exactly the opposite. For many people, the more theology they understand and become convicted of, and as they begin to formulate positions, many of those positions become boundary markers of what their idea of church should be when in reality, there are godly men and women on the other side of that theological conviction who just as strongly believe otherwise. In other words, many of our theological convictions are simply strongly held personal preferences, just (hopefully), with Scriptural backing.

Makes me think.

I have a handful of convictions I’m willing to die for, but many silly preferences that muddy the water making it look like those are more important.

Let’s not make good things into ultimate things. Christ is the one supreme treasure in all the universe.

Is HE my preference?

—

Brent and his family recently planted a church in the Phoenix area.

Posted in Blog, Church Planting, Theology, humility, missional | No Comments »

What size is right for a local church? And how can we structure care for God’s people?

July 24th, 2008 Jeff

Tim Keller has a new article out in the latest edition of the Vineyard’s Cutting Edge magazine.  It’s called "Process Managing Church Growth ." I have seen it before, but the dynamics of my current church life and leadership made me more attuned to what he has to say this time.

A couple excerpts:

"Every church has a ’size culture’ that goes with its size that has to be accepted. Most people probably have a size-culture that they prefer. However, many people ‘moralize’ their favorite size culture and treat other size-categories as spiritually and morally inferior. They may insist that the only Biblical way to do church is to practice a differ size-culture despite the fact that the church itself is much bigger or smaller than they desire it to be."

"Generally, in small churches, policy is decided by many and ministry is done by a few while in the large church, ministry is done by many, and policy is decided by a few."

(HT: Jonathan Dodson + Steve McCoy ).

Posted in Blog, Church Planting, Ekklesia, Ministry, missional | No Comments »

Text + Context

February 25th, 2008 Jeff

Text + ContextKari and I wanted to head to Seattle this week so I could attend the National Resurgence Conference 2008: Text & Context. But God has other plans. In the meantime, we hope to catch some of the sessions live @ http://www.theresurgence.com/live

(All of the audio, video, and perhaps notes, will be available after the conference sometime.)

Monday, February 25, 2008

  • 2:00 pm Session 1 – Mark Driscoll – Text & Context: Humble Incarnational Ministry
  • 4:00 pm Session 2 – CJ Mahaney – Text & Context: Pastoral Character & Loving People
  • 7:00 pm Session 3 – John Piper - Text: Why I Trust the Scriptures

Tuesday, February 26, 2008

  • 9:00 am Session 4 – Jim Gilmore – Context: Fear and Trembling in the Experience Economy
  • 10:45 am Session 5 – Matt Chandler - Text & Context: Preaching the Gospel in the Center of the Evangelical World
  • 1:00 pm Session 6 – John Piper - Text & Context: How My Pastoral Ministry Shapes my Pulpit Ministry
  • 7:00 pm Session 9 – John Piper - Text: How Do I Distinguish Between Gospel and False Gospel?
  • 9:00 pm Q & A with John Piper

Wednesday, February 27, 2008

  • 10:00 am Session 10 – Jim Gilmore – Context: Decoding the Future, the Phoniness, and the Shifting Sands
  • 11:20 am Q& A with Jim Gilmore
  • 1:00 pm Session 11 – Mark Driscoll – Text & Context: Preaching Jesus Christ To Pagan Culture
  • 2:15 pm Q & A with Mark Driscoll

Posted in Blog, Church Planting, Ministry, Theology, missional | No Comments »

What makes for an innovative church?

August 20th, 2007 Jeff

I recently ran across the survey (nominations) of the most innovative churches in ‘08.

Drew Goodmanson writes:

Why are America’s Most Innovative Churches also some of the largest in America? Northpointe, NewSpring, Saddleback et al are nominees for the award in 2008. Is this like when Taco Bell wins best Mexican food because it’s the most voted place in town? Aren’t there small churches who are doing innovative things too? It seems like smaller churches should have more freedom to be innovative. House church movements? Harbor’s multi-site, multi-congregational non-video venue model? Soma’s multi-congregational, involved discipleship (street walking) and dialogue based services? How about people who are doing amazing mercy ministries, changing a city, Tentmakers, re-thinking church structures based on changing paradigms?

Hmmm…according to the survey these aren’t considered as much as podcasts, blogging, websites, social networking, film production and video venues ….

Good point, Drew.

That reminds me of a short phrase I heard from an recorded message by Rick McKinley of Imago Dei Community. In light of the trend to seek to be relevant in our churches so much is done in music and messages and architecture, while forgetting that “the way to be relevant to people is to genuinely love them.” Amen.

Which brings me to Molalla. Kari and I recently moved back to her hometown, to live with her parents while finishing up seminary. So many factors led to this transition and innumerable blessings certainly are and will come out of this season of life. One area is fusing together our seminary with helping our local church — Foothills Community Church, which gathers in downtown Molalla. This week we will be meeting with pastor Dale Satrum to talk over what our involvement in the vision and mission of Foothills could look like in the coming months and beyond.

In our visits over the past couple of years we have grown to love and respect the leadership of Foothills and certainly have enjoyed observing the spiritual growth we have seen in so many who call it their church. Certainly the vision and impetus of Foothill’s whole purpose in the community is innovative, and on so many levels. The people of Foothills love the people of Molalla, and the surrounding area. In fact, there are more than 10,000 unchurched people within 10 miles of Molalla, and Foothill’s vision is for the church members to personally reach them with the love of Jesus Christ. Innovative, relevant, loving.

Yet, by the standards of innovation as mentioned in the survey above and critiqued by Drew Goodmanson, Foothills apparently is not with it. There is no real podcasting, no blogging, the church website isn’t exactly the coolest, there is no online social networking that I know of, at least not on the corporate church-wide level, and not a real emphasis on the use of technology. (Perhaps the survey/list title needs to be changed to focus on “technologically savvy” churches or the like, for it seems that is what it really is.) In these areas I would love to spend some time and revamp some of the ways Foothills utilizes technology, particularly with its website and content … for the purpose of reaching people in deep and personal and meaningful ways with the Gospel. And, helping believers to grow in Christlikeness and biblical community.

To be relevant and innovative to people means to love them. The focus is the innovative part — to the glory of God. Technology can be used to that end.

Posted in Blog, Church Planting, Foothills | No Comments »

  • Our random images
  • Follow the P's

    We have a new family blog, over here [here's the RSS feed]. Follow our adventures with the Triune God.
  • Featured

    • What is the Gospel?
    • Have you embraced Religion or the Gospel?
    • Can I say these are my resolutions?
    • Helps for Enjoying the Bible for All Its Worth
  • Recent Posts

    • Your words matter
    • Year 4 of ?
    • Music: Telescope
    • Stay and drink of God or turn aside and find our own water?
    • Hear: All of Life is Preparation
    • A couple reminders on the Lord’s Day
    • New life in our Shepherd
    • Preaching: All of Life is Preparation
    • Being out of rhythm is painful
    • Being picky with our preferences
    • Better than nice
    • The Gospel is A to Z, not the ABC’s
    • Advancement of Christ’s Kingdom in the world
    • Helps for Enjoying the Bible for All Its Worth
    • Trusting God FOR or WITH something?
  • Pages

    • About
    • Dutch
    • Theology
      • GOD
      • Jesus
    • Contact
    • Kari’s Writings
      • The Road to Santa Clara
    • FHO2
    • Links
    • Guestbook
  • RSS Kari's latest

    • God’s Word, Our Dictionary
    • Our Right Response to Blessing
    • Being Believed In
    • My Last First Day of School
    • The God Who Grieves
    • Nothing is Harder Than Doing Your Own Thing
    • LiveDifferent Challenge (22): Use Stuff, Love People; Enjoy Things, Worship God
  • RSS Patterson Family

    • Hearing our Baby
    • Best 3 minutes of the day
    • Good times playing late Friday afternoon
    • Happy Birthday, Blog
    • Dutch’s outdoor adventures
  • RSS Margin

    • What are you doing while another is talking?
    • Swim up stream
    • Chester on busyness
  • Around the Web
  • What is deTheos?

    The two Greek words de ("but") and Theos ("God") are the first two words of Ephesians 2:4: "But God, who is rich in mercy..." Because of God's great love and grace extending to us in Jesus Christ, we are forgiven, redeemed and able to know, love + enjoy God more fully, ever-increasing and forever.
    This site contains the thoughts and conclusions and journeys of the Patterson family -- Jeff, Kari and Dutch -- who have experienced the front-end of God's amazing grace, and continue to delight in His unfailing love.
    Read more about us, and what we hold most precious.
  • a few links

    Subscribe in a reader
    Subscribe by Email My Amazon.com Wish List ESV Bible LinkedIn Site Meter Hosted by Kattare Add to Technorati Favorites
    Learn more about the ESV Study Bible
  • Categories

  • Tags

    affections best Books doctrine Dutch Ekklesia enjoy Family GOD God-centered GOD is the Gospel godly trajectory Going to Seminary Gospel Gospel-centered Gospel Rhythms Grace Happy Tensions humility humor Jesus Jonathan Edwards Joy Justification Kari Milestones missional perspective Pics Piper prayer Quotes Reading Sanctification Scripture seminary Sports Stories suffering Theodicy Theology Tozer trials union Video

deTheos is proudly powered by WordPress | Bob

Podcast Powered by podPress (v8.8)